Observational Criteria for the Classification of Mississippi Valley-BIeiberg-SiIesia Type of Deposits (An attempt at a brief summary) G. C. Amstutz First, I would like to congratulate the organizing committee for pro-moting the discussion on mineral deposits in the Alps. One of the groups of deposits are the Pb-Zn-fluorite deposits of the Mesozoic earbonate province. I thought, it might be of interest to point again to their great similarity with the Mississippi Valley deposits. Also, I feel an answer to the paper by B r o w n in the June 1970 issue of MINERALIUM DEPOSITA is needed. Yet, many papers so far presented at this meeting and many papers which appeared elsewhere (both, in the Joum. of Econ. Geol., and in MIN. DEP.), were actually direct answers to many negative points of B r o w n' s paper. At first, it may perhaps seem redundant to write another summary on the Mississippi Valley-Bleiberg-Silesia- or M. B. S. type of ores. Yet, a close look at the New York Symposium (Brown, ed. 1967), and especially at the recent attempt of a summary by J. S. Brown (1970) shows that many misunderstandings are hard to die, and a separation between facts and interpretation appears to be most problematic. Indeed, it would be easy to get discouraged in view of the fact that observations of very simple sedimentary features are ignored and suggested inter-pretations are said to be based on no observations even though they are printed or pictured on the same pages. As pointed out elsewhere, it is disappointing indeed to see ho use it as a differentiation. Uytenbogaardt: It does not completely belong to the lecture but can Prof. Amstutz teli us in a few minutes something about the lead and zine of the MBS type of deposits? Amstutz: The first part of the answer is something which I always emphasized in Missouri to my students: that I believe that this is not the first question to ask. It is much more important to look first at the deposit and to develop the geometric and geochemical criteria for a mode of deposition. This will help us then to answer the second question: Where did the metals come from? Now, in regard to Missouri, or rather ali the Mississippi Valley type deposits, we don't find any channel-ways. So this already points to other possibilities and it is also very likely impossible to have it form in a way in which B r o w n suggested in his book on ore genesis. The question, where did the lead came from, has to be answered in the next few years. I don't beheve it is such a terribly important question because if you make a geochemical balance over these huge provinces including, of course, the sandstones and the shales in them, the total Pb and Zn which you get is not higher than the average Pb and Zn which is reported as an average for sediments. Why is this so? The concentration of these elements follows similar lines as the concentration of Ca, Si and some other elements. The average sediment composition is much more differentiated, than that of the igneous rocks. If you take the average igneous ročk, you always have SiO, between 35 and 70 %>, or even narrower. But if you take the sediments, the concentration of the Si02 in the average limestone is very low, and in the average sandstones it is very high, and this we can say for practically ali! elements. So I am not astonished that we also get very pure PbS beds, in the Lead Belt for example, or here in the Alps, or very pure ZnS beds. So I am not astonished at that, and I think we can derive in most places these metals as a product of erosion which travelled in suspension to the oceans. The next step we don't know yet, but there are five la-boratories at least working on a solution for it. What we would like to know during the next 5 or 10 years are the factors which lead to a concentration of the dissolved or adsorbed metals in preferred areas. And as soon as we know them, we may also be able to say more about the origin of the elements. I think they can be of an exhalative or a purely erosional origin. To me this question is not so important as to1 some other colleagues. Maucher: Zu Ihrer letzten Frage nach der Herkunft der Erze mochte ich mich auf den Standpunkt von Herm A m s t u t z stellen. Es ist gar nicht so1 wesentlich, wo das Material herkommt, und ich glaube, daB man diese Frage gar nicht eindeutig beantworten kann. Es wird Lagerstatten geben im karbonatischen Milieu, bei denen die Metalle aus reinen Ver-witterungslosungen kommen, und es wird Lagerstatten geben, bei denen sie aus salinaren Losungen kommen, und es wird Lagerstatten geben, bei denen sie aus vulkanischen Losungen kommen. Hier wird wahrscheinlich der wesentliche Unterschied zwischen den epikontinentalen und den geosynklinalen Lagerstatten liegen. Man muB also ervvarten, daB die ganzen Untersuchungen iiber die Herkunft der Metalle sehr verschiedene Ergebnisse geben werden. Es ware vollig falsch, sich dariiber zu streiten. Das Wesentliche ist die Frage, was ich schon mehrfach gesagt habe, des Milieus, in dem die abgelagerten Erze angereichert werden. Dies ist die erste und wichtigste Frage. Die Frage, wo die Losungen her sind, ist in Wirklichkeit die sekundare Frage. Wenn wir uns iiber eine Erzlagerstatte unterhalten und iiber ihre Genese, dann wollen wir j a wissen, durch welche Vorgange die erhohte Stoffkonzentration an dieser Stelle entstanden ist. Der Vorgang der Konzentration ist das Wesentliche, nicht der Vorgang der Zufuhr, denn die Zufuhr allein bedeutet noch keine erhohte Konzentration. Wenn ich von einer Lagerstatte als »syngenetiseh« spreche, darf ich das nur tun, wenn der Konzentrationsvorgang syngenetisch, das heifit gleichzeitig und auf dieselbe genetische Art und Weise abgelaufen ist wie die Bildung des umgebenden Gesteins. Epigenetisch darf ich nur etwas nennen, dessen Konzentration nachtraglich, nach der Entstehung des Umgebungsgesteins erfolgt ist. In der Diskussion werden »syngenetisch« und »epiginetisch« meistens auf ganz verschiedene Dinge bezogen und gar nicht mehr auf den Vorgang der Stoffanreicherung in der Lagerstatte. Daher kommen die groBen MiBverstandnisse. Wenn wir immer nur vom Konzentrationsvorgang sprechen wiirden, dann ware der Fall der Syngenese oder Epigenese in seiner Definition sehr klar.